| i ve been taking this stuff along with ast s creatine and vp2 whey ,for 3weeks, yes there was some improvments, my biceps re the best so far, the gains are satisfactory but not as pictured in some reviews and media but not as i expected , actually couldnt tell which one of those is the cause but most probably i think the creatine ...some guys told me to take 30g pre-workout and u ll feel a phenomenol pump ...but this is bs dont try it ...am changing ast brand to see the diffrence and i ll keep u informed of my progress |